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Re: are we waiting for other cultures

Post by zedturtle » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:07 am

Personally, if it were me (not that it is, or would be), I'd make there be one Bree culture: Bree-folk. Then I'd have various backgrounds that tie into various parts of Bree-land. Body scores would range from 2-5, Heart 5-7 and Wits 4-7. Bree heroes would thus be a bit more flexible than some of the other heroes, representing the variety found in their culture.

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I'm mostly agree with Glorelendil: I'd be interested to see options for Lossoth, Woses, Lindon Elves, etc. but they don't seem to make very likely adventurers (I think the Lossoth are the most likely, and that's saying something), and that's what really has to count.
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Re: are we waiting for other cultures

Post by Glorelendil » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:02 am

zedturtle wrote:Personally, if it were me (not that it is, or would be), I'd make there be one Bree culture: Bree-folk. Then I'd have various backgrounds that tie into various parts of Bree-land. Body scores would range from 2-5, Heart 5-7 and Wits 4-7. Bree heroes would thus be a bit more flexible than some of the other heroes, representing the variety found in their culture.
Ooh....that's a really interesting twist from other cultures. I like that a lot.

I might also make them a 13 point culture, like Dunlendings. Then give them interesting virtues & rewards. Maybe a Cultural Blessing that gives them a Sam Gamgee kinda slant.
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Re: are we waiting for other cultures

Post by pridedog » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:46 am

I didn't mean any strif with anyone. not meaning forgotten. but I love the ideals everyone is giving. thanks to all who had wise thoughts on the AC.

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Re: are we waiting for other cultures

Post by Falenthal » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:13 am

zedturtle wrote:Body scores would range from 2-5, Heart 5-7 and Wits 4-7. Bree heroes would thus be a bit more flexible than some of the other heroes, representing the variety found in their culture.
Great idea, and very appropiate!

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Re: are we waiting for other cultures

Post by zedturtle » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:23 am

Glorelendil wrote:
zedturtle wrote:Personally, if it were me (not that it is, or would be), I'd make there be one Bree culture: Bree-folk. Then I'd have various backgrounds that tie into various parts of Bree-land. Body scores would range from 2-5, Heart 5-7 and Wits 4-7. Bree heroes would thus be a bit more flexible than some of the other heroes, representing the variety found in their culture.
Ooh....that's a really interesting twist from other cultures. I like that a lot.

I might also make them a 13 point culture, like Dunlendings. Then give them interesting virtues & rewards. Maybe a Cultural Blessing that gives them a Sam Gamgee kinda slant.
Yeah, here's my take on that from a while back: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=6198&p=47327
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Re: are we waiting for other cultures

Post by Terisonen » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:39 pm

Otaku-sempai wrote:
Terisonen wrote:
Otaku-sempai wrote:If the Riders of Rohan are omitted from the Adventurer's Companion then what Heroic Culture, if any, replace it? I would suggest Folk of Dorwinion or Snowmen of Forochel.

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Out of scope.
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Seriously, though: explain. Dorwinion is touched upon in the Erebor book (and a little bit in The Darkening of Mirkwood) and the Bay of Forochel borders the north-western part of Eriador. I'll admit that the Snowmen are likely to be fairly insular, but no more so than the Woses (granted, they might be considered to be a poor choice as well). However, the Dorwinrim might be relatively cosmopolitan due to Dorwinion's status as a trading center and bridge between the West and the East. I can easily imagine Heroes coming from there.
I've never read about Dorwinrim or Snowmen characters in Tolkien writing. For Wose, we have at least one character. May be I have to be more explicative, sorry :)
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Re: are we waiting for other cultures

Post by Terisonen » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:53 pm

zedturtle wrote:Personally, if it were me (not that it is, or would be), I'd make there be one Bree culture: Bree-folk. Then I'd have various backgrounds that tie into various parts of Bree-land. Body scores would range from 2-5, Heart 5-7 and Wits 4-7. Bree heroes would thus be a bit more flexible than some of the other heroes, representing the variety found in their culture.

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I'm mostly agree with Glorelendil: I'd be interested to see options for Lossoth, Woses, Lindon Elves, etc. but they don't seem to make very likely adventurers (I think the Lossoth are the most likely, and that's saying something), and that's what really has to count.
Yes, it's a good idea. Even Tolkien had writed how Bree culture have appeared (A blend of men coming from the south, remnant of people living in the vicinity of Bree for very long, and Hobbit). Very interesting to made for a culture.
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Re: are we waiting for other cultures

Post by Otaku-sempai » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:55 pm

Terisonen wrote:I've never read about Dorwinrim or Snowmen characters in Tolkien writing. For Wose, we have at least one character. May be I have to be more explicative, sorry :)
The Snowmen is simply what the Folk of Eriador call the Lossoth. The name crops up in the LotR Appendices, if nowhere else. They would have been analogous to the Sámi people of Far Northern Europe. Modern genetics suggest that they might have been had the unusual combination of dark skin and blue eyes. Lighter hair and skin tones might have been introduced through the migration of early European (Eriadorian?) farmers.

The region of Dorwinion is mentioned principally in The Hobbit and mostly in reference to its most potent and excellent wine. What we know in-game about the people of Dorwinion is first from The Darkening of Mirkwood, which introduced us to the merchant-princess Una who became the bride of King Bard, and from a sidebar in the new Erebor book. The Dorwinrim could be an interesting addition to the Heroic Cultures of TOR.
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Re: are we waiting for other cultures

Post by Glorelendil » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:46 pm

Otaku-sempai wrote:
Terisonen wrote:I've never read about Dorwinrim or Snowmen characters in Tolkien writing. For Wose, we have at least one character. May be I have to be more explicative, sorry :)
The Snowmen is simply what the Folk of Eriador call the Lossoth. The name crops up in the LotR Appendices, if nowhere else. They would have been analogous to the Sámi people of Far Northern Europe. Modern genetics suggest that they might have been had the unusual combination of dark skin and blue eyes. Lighter hair and skin tones might have been introduced through the migration of early European (Eriadorian?) farmers.

The region of Dorwinion is mentioned principally in The Hobbit and mostly in reference to its most potent and excellent wine. What we know in-game about the people of Dorwinion is first from The Darkening of Mirkwood, which introduced us to the merchant-princess Una who became the bride of King Bard, and from a sidebar in the new Erebor book. The Dorwinrim could be an interesting addition to the Heroic Cultures of TOR.
I suspect he knows what Lossoth and Dorwiniom are, but he's pointing out that we don't really have any character portraits to base them on. We have a few snippets of conversation from the Lossoth, but not really any cultural or personality details.
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Re: are we waiting for other cultures

Post by Otaku-sempai » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:53 pm

Glorelendil wrote:I suspect he knows what Lossoth and Dorwiniom are, but he's pointing out that we don't really have any character portraits to base them on. We have a few snippets of conversation from the Lossoth, but not really any cultural or personality details.
I think that Tolkien might have actually provided more information (scanty as it is) on the Lossoth than about the folk of Dorwinion (although I think the term 'Dorwinrim' comes from MERP). Dorwinion is not even identified on Christopher Tolkien's maps of Middle-earth. Tolkien wrote of the Lossoth:
These are a strange, unfriendly people, remnant of the Forodwaith, Men of far-off days, accustomed to the bitter colds of the realm of Morgoth... The Lossoth house in the snow, and it is said that they can run on the ice with bones on their feet, and have carts without wheels. They live mostly, inaccessible to their enemies, on the great Cape of Forochel that shuts off to the north-west the immense bay of that name; but they often camp on the south shores of the bay at the feet of the Mountains.
The Lossoth feared the Witch-king, "who (they said) could make frost or thaw at his will." Still, they took pity on Arvedui, the last King of Arthedain, and his followers--although they were also somewhat afraid of the weapons of the Dúnedain--and provided them food and shelter in their need. It was through the Lossoth that the Ring of Barahir was preserved and returned to the Dúnedain (LotR, Appendix A). Although I'm not strongly advocating the Lossoth as an Heroic Culture, we are provided more to work with than with the folk of Dorwinion.
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